I am trying to make an ACE 2 rig but due too creeping age and financial  restraints I am slower than I would like to be. I think there is light at the end of the tunnel so I will persist. Are there any members in Australia going down this path? Regards dave

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Hi Dave,

There are a couple of constructors / experimenters on Oz but I'm not sure if they are on the forum.

However, don't let "creeping age and financial constraints" stop you moving forward.

Our very good friend Howard Phillips invented the ACE cell and its chemistry with little more than a backyard grinder and a file (I know this to be a fact since I've stayed with Howard and I have spent some very pleasant weeks together discussing all manner of things in Oklahoma late into the evenings including his prowess and achievements in his sadly depleted workshop).

We can help you with the circuitry, control technology and techniques easily enough over the web to reduce your experimental time and prototype development iterations. Which will of course reduce your costs.

You will find a lot here and quite a bit from myself posted into the forum.

The metal parts can be either "found" as scrap or purchased from EBay and the circuit bits and pieces might cost no more than $50 to get you started.

There is no magic involved, no secrets, just good chemistry from Howard and innovative application of simple switching electronics that can be achieved on the kitchen sink (or Howard's back porch).

My own small contribution to Howard's original design was to suggest some alternative circuitry by making the switching solid state using simple H-Bridge and oscillator modules purchased from EBay for less than $20... the write-ups and notes are all available here as Open Source for anyone to use. It is all still based on Howard's original work though and I make no claims upon it in any way shape or form... I just happen to have a better bench than Howard.

Howard's electrical transistor and relay design is as solid as a rock and can be put together from the average constructors junk box of parts and a couple of automotive relays. My own offerings require a few bits from Ebay (3 small modules).

Quite a few of us are far from being "spring chickens" but we don't stop.

Regards

Martin

Hi there David, I am in Australia (Northern New South Wales), I had a couple of dry cells several years ago , but , could not get consistent good results. I lost faith in hho, then came the ACE 2 CELL, my faith was restored, alas, work commitments and life in general have prevented me going any further, I'm sure you'll get there, Cheers, Allan.

That was rude of me... "David" of course - not "Dave"... that is my brother.

Martin Moore said:

Hi Dave,

I know of a lad named "Squizzy" aka Frank Taylor in Australia that did the original board used in Howards' on Board Vehicle application. He has made progress with the technology. He has applied it to his automobile I believe. He did the PCB design in Howards Published works. Howard may have an address for him, but I do not.

Hi Martin My Mother called me David when I was naughty I prefer Dave I will keep in touch as I progress. I  got a large billet of cast iron from a friend and while it is much larger than the pipe in the prototype I will try it as my next attempt .I have machined it and it is now 70 mm ID  and 59 mm ID and 220mm long the anode Intend to use is cast iron and it is 49 mm OD and 25 mm ID and 200 mm long Do you see any big problem with sizes before I continue? Where can I find your circuit advice  Regards  Dave

Hi Allan we are in Victoria About 60 Ks south east of Melbourne Thanks for taking an Interest . Are you using an ACE 2 cell at the moment? I look forward to any advice that can help. Regards  Dave

Good day Dave, you are on to a good thing, keep at it.  My first ACE cells were cast ( sash weight and pipe) and drew high amps, but changed to aluminum  and sodium citrate and got great results.  Martin's PWM design makes it even simpler and more efficient.  Please keep us posted

Thank you for your message do you feel that the dimensions of the cast iron I was given may cause any problems?

marc tamiso said:

Good day Dave, you are on to a good thing, keep at it.  My first ACE cells were cast ( sash weight and pipe) and drew high amps, but changed to aluminum  and sodium citrate and got great results.  Martin's PWM design makes it even simpler and more efficient.  Please keep us posted

Hey... Thanks for the vote Marc. :)

David... anything I can help you with just ask. I spent a couple of hours chatting to Howard yesterday and we are still talking about that little H-Bridge piece of kit.

marc tamiso said:

Good day Dave, you are on to a good thing, keep at it.  My first ACE cells were cast ( sash weight and pipe) and drew high amps, but changed to aluminum  and sodium citrate and got great results.  Martin's PWM design makes it even simpler and more efficient.  Please keep us posted

Morning Dave, So your in Victoria, won't hold that against you, I was born there, lived at Pucka in the early to mid 50's. No, not using an ace 2 cell or any other cell. Would like to as I am a courier driver. Years ago, I had time to experiment with dry cells, then the courier business (and other things) took up all my time. I have been virtually out of the loop for a few years and have not heard of aluminum  and sodium citrate, Good luck, Cheers, Allan.

Gentlemen, I was stalled on this until Martin helped me out.  Last  winter I built a dozen prototypes, finally making a  small ACE that made 300ml /minute of high quality h2.  It's built in a water filter case ($20) with aluminum salvage (door threshold) and ran 2500 miles on Howard's relay style power supply (with little maintenance ).  When I went to sodium citrate (lye and citric acid)  the amp draw went from 20 to 3 amps, which rarely gets hot enough for the CC to work.  The profound advantage of the alternating DC current is the ability to  break the oxidation layer and release the h2 .  This tiny amount of h2 had a minor  effect on the fuel economy of my v8 work van, but the emissions difference is huge- without it this ford stinks when it idles!  Also the power at the pedal is obvious.  

So I haven't had the chance to work with cast since then.  It does have the advantage of making valuable waste.  I've yet to find a market for al oxide.  Of course, with Martin' s H bridge, and a test tank, it's a plug and play experimenter's dream.   Compliments, Howard, for the wisdom to open source this. 



Martin Moore said:

Hey... Thanks for the vote Marc. :)

David... anything I can help you with just ask. I spent a couple of hours chatting to Howard yesterday and we are still talking about that little H-Bridge piece of kit.

marc tamiso said:

Good day Dave, you are on to a good thing, keep at it.  My first ACE cells were cast ( sash weight and pipe) and drew high amps, but changed to aluminum  and sodium citrate and got great results.  Martin's PWM design makes it even simpler and more efficient.  Please keep us posted

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