I need help here. I'm almost done with my cast resin HHO container, and the bubbler comes next.

I'm thinking of a bubbler where the HHO pushes the water up a tube, and there's a part in the tube with a larger section which slows down the upward movement of the HHO/H2O mix. The large droplets fall back, but the vapors and HHO then proceed upwards to the engine.

This would be an evolution from the Fozzy & Christer vaporizers but using HHO to propel the water vapor, and I would need your ideas on how to make this possible. I'm planning to make this a cast resin form for ease of manufacture, with the goal of making this available to third world countries also.

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How about a disk with tiny holes drilled in it? The gas would escape, the water will condense and drop back into the container.
Well though Skip.

But it might also condense the vapour. I think that skysabre wants water vapour, but not water droplets. Droplets might ruin hot turbo fins, but vapour will probably not. Safety first :-)

Skysabre, if the hose from an ordinary bubbler, take a loop around the exhaustmanifold, cobber tubing then of course, waterdroplets will turn into steam. But that might not be so simple on newer cars.
I'm taking note of everything. I went through a course by Ralph Barra, where he says that all ideas should be respected because you'd never know at the start which (one or more) would lead to brilliant innovations. He also says there's genius lurking in every brain. So it's best to keep a data bank of ideas which will be reviewed with diligence at a later time. Doug Hall also lectured about "The Power of Diversity". But the two have different ways of processing ideas. So right now, there's no judging of ideas. Selection and consolidation will be done later.

I promise you that when the thing is done and it works, all the design drawings will be released to the group. This project does not belong to one person alone. In fact, it began with two people, Fozzy and Christer, who were generous enough to share what they know. On my side, I happened to know resin casting methods, so I'm volunteering this capability to be put to use for the group.
Hi Skysabre, just my share..I made a separate bottle similar to the vaporizer of Fozzy. I connected a tee at one end and covered it with foam( to prevent dust from comming), with a gate valve( to control the air intake). The other end is connected to a a bottled water in it as vaporizer with also control valve. Note that heat radiated from the engine creates vapor and sucks at the air intake. My HHO was connected near the throttle. I tried running it about 40 kms. and I noticed good gain compared to that of HHO alone. Though, I have not yet finalized my installation for viewing which I may upload later.. Try it!
Link for ideas, found in (search Water Injection)

AutoSpeed Water Injection System Part 1

AutoSpeed Water Injection System Part 2

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray - Part 1

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 2

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 3

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 4

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 5
The HH recombining with the O is not likely. Once it has been separated by electrolysis it would take another energy to recombine it. One far greater than the electrolysis. Any condensation would be of water vapors. In a bubbler there will always be some amount of water vapor. As the temperature increases so will evaporation. All HHO boosters will have booth HH and O entering and leaving the bubbler. Take a look on youtube. I have view so many video I can't remember which one to show you. BUT they had a totally submerged brick type generator mounted low and the output went up to a tank/bubble shaped like a mail box. A return line to the bottom of the cell. The cell never wet dry. Output of the bubbler/tank went through tubing with a inline check valve and then to the intake before and after the air filter. more later. P. S. Check out group carburator cars and trucks for latest report on my bubbler. I am also working on my taurus in putting a resistors on the IAT sensor as well as the one I put on the MAF sensor. This may balance out the system to keep the ECM from tuning out the gains from the booster. More later
Hi Bob Ace,
Could upload a picture? Rather than imagine what your system looks like, it would be better to see it. Thanks in advance.

Hi Kikox 1,
Thanks for the list, but are these search words, or do you have the links? If you do, please find a way to place them in your post. Again, thanks. While waiting, I'll check the internet.

...and Fozzy,
Thanks for the inputs. I am reading your reports, and I am very appreciative of your results, but still remain curious about HHO-H2O feed. I've tried vapor feed alone, and got no results. Maybe I got things wrong, and didn't go any further because by that time dry cells got my interest. Later, I will try Christer's vapor bottle which looks a bit different from mine. Then whether it works or not, I would like to try the combination HHO-H2O. Bob Ace just said he got better results from his end using your design and his HHO cell! That is very encouraging news!

So here I'd like to bring together a group idea into this forum just to see what happens. If we see results, then whoever wants to try it out can base his/her design on whatever we come up with. I will also try this out on my friends' cars. I'm looking at about 40 vehicles, including about 3 in the UK, and 1 in Norway.

FYI: In third world countries majority of the cars, even new ones, have no ECU. Experimenter's Nirvana!
Sorry link don't display (i write with add hiperlink)

website http://www.autospeed.com (search in web site "Water Injection")

AutoSpeed Water Injection System Part 1 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_110368/article.html

AutoSpeed Water Injection System Part 2 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_110369/article.html

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray - Part 1 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0527

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 2 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0534

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 3 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0574

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 4 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0578

Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray, Part 5 http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0589/article.html
Thanks Kikox1. The studies there confirm that water injection does save on fuel - about 3 to 5% - so that means Fozzy, Christer and Bob Ace still have the bragging rights. BTW, I'm doing a schematic of the feed tube part of the MIñoza carburetor (over 100 MPG highway, and I was there!). This design breaks down the surface tension of fuel and so improves vaporization. There is also a preheating part midway. It looks like this can be paced at the intake tube and the air velocity can pick up the vapors along the way (with venturi?). Vaporization becomes proportional to intake volume. That will solve the AutoSpeed problem the low tech way! Ok, maybe...no judgments yet.

Hey, you guys can't say I don't listen to you.
Optive word "wicking" The best part of my evaporative system is the use of a sliver of sponge. The fluid spreads out over the area of the sponge and ultra minimal surface tension. Two dissimilar molecules that make it easier for vapors to escape. I do not know what the make up of a spongy material it would take to saturate with gasoline, etc, But a greater quantity fo gas vapors will travel away into the engine.
Hi Fozzy, I think your vapor design plus HHO in just a matter of time would be perfected. I understand that we still need petrol and gasoline as probably part of lubricating the cylinders. But, a proportional amount of water vapor and HHO mentioned by Skysabre might hit our goal of saving fuel. The only thing is that how we could measure the amount of water vapor and HHO gas needed in injecting each engine to get a perfect mileage. It seems that we are almost done with our experiments but still we need to continue improving it.. Our great work is at least WE here in HHOINFO were able to contribute in reducing the toxic gas in our environment even in our own little way. I should be thankful to Gabet for his great job..

Fozzy said:
Optive word "wicking" The best part of my evaporative system is the use of a sliver of sponge. The fluid spreads out over the area of the sponge and ultra minimal surface tension. Two dissimilar molecules that make it easier for vapors to escape. I do not know what the make up of a spongy material it would take to saturate with gasoline, etc, But a greater quantity fo gas vapors will travel away into the engine.
Thanks Fozzy and Bob Ace, more so for the impelling message. In a short while, I will upload the Miñoza tube for you to assess. Right now, my wife is tugging at my sleeves so we can leave for the grocery store.

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