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Hello All, Happy new year. I want to build a system to use with my Citroen C5 1.6 HDI. I have been given a Hydrotechnix DC-1204-30 Voltage to current converter that I would like to use to control the cell. The Specs are as follows:-

Input Voltage                            10 - 15 Volts

Adjustable Output Current          28A - 32A DC (Nominal 30A)

Output Voltage                          3.5V - 4.8V (Nominal 4V)

Current Ripple                           5% (Maximium)

This unit I beleave is a constant current style pulse width modulator. This unit cannot be used with nutral plate generators ie: +nnn- , I have been in touch Hydrotechnix and they have suggested a 4 plate 2 cell configuration eg: +-|+- using 100mm square 2 mm thick 316 ss plates with a gap of 2mm between the plates. I would however prefer to use Titanium as it gives a better quality gas.

Any advice would be welcome please

Thank You 

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Mark. We are testing titanium plates in our systems. Gas quality is the same as with 316L stainless but there is no nickel and free iron leeching from the cut ends of the plates. Titanium however has raised the cost of our system $28.00. We use an 11 plate, ten cell core with 9 neutral plates. We use no more than 2 amps to increase mileage in a 5 liter engine by 20%.

You can adjust the amount of hho you produce by increasing or decreasing the amount of electrolyte you add to the solution.

Great idea with the titanium.

Thank You for the reply Barry. But as I said in my post the CCPWM I have cannot use neutral plates. I can already get more miles per gallon than Citroen state 62.8 miles extra urban as a light footed driver I can get between 74.8 - 78.8 miles per gallon. So with a Hydrogen System fitted I would hope to get 100 Miles Plus to the gallon.

So the question is what kind of dry cell should I use  The CCPWM supplies 3.5 - 4.8 volts with adjustable output current of 28 - 32 amps DC I am thinking of using Titanium Gr2 for the Anodes and trying Titanium Gr7 this is mixed with Paladium for the Cathode and 2 or 3 cells in parallel total of 4 or 6 plates with each pair isolated from the next to minimize current loss. Failing that I could out the CCPWM and build a standard 9 or 11 plate cell +nnnnnnnn- or +nnnnnnnnnn-.

So looking for advice please?

Perhaps I can help. Does your CCPWM pulse the HHO cell? You should shoot for 2 volts between the plates. 1.6v to 2.8v, NO MORE, otherwise you get into eroding the electrode plates or tubes. If you make a 7 plate cell with 6 cells you get 2 to 2.35 volts between the plates, with 6 cells, ditch the holes in all the plates and learn about a true sealed and in series H2o cell. + N N N N N - Most CCPWM that we tested all flat line the square wave pulse, when you dial in the desired amps. We entrain a magnetic field and capture longitudinal energy into the cell. All magentas stayed charged by longitudinal energy or aether, or orgone energy, has many names, Titanium will passivate and clog up the surface area of the plates and over time they produce less and less gas. We learned most from Bob Boyce™ who used to post in the yahoo group forums. a DOD lab scientist, quantum physicist, chemist. We use 316L ss or 317, 304 is not bad, has 3% less nickel is all. Nickel is good. 1/8" spacing for a third layer of gas can happen at 1/8" spacing and 10% NaOH electrolyte keeps the cells from freezing and leaking. The platinum metals would work, but not platinum itself but all there other 5 platinum metals are said to work well. One guy said amalgam lead worked the best? We stick with available 316L today, sand with 30 grit and run the cell hard on the bench for a few days, More of the learning curve at : http://hhogarage.com/HHOreview.html

Hi Andrew. I mentioned in my original post that the CCPWM I have must not be used with neutral plates. The supplier suggested a 4 or 6 plate cell +-/+-/+- no neutral plates.

Mark,

I've been researching how hho works in engines for 6 years now. If you wish to see what we have learned click this link  https://youtu.be/S0VxGM1yZTc . There is only so much improvement you can make to the efficiency of gas engines adding hho. IMHO, you will not get much more of an increase- if any- from what you have now by adding more hho. Adding hho makes the mixture leaner. Make it too lean and you have to add more fuel to keep the engine running. Most who have been working with hho for some time know there is a point where adding more hho actually reduces mpg. We eliminated PWMs (all forms) and now regulate hho production with the amount of electrolyte added to the system. Eliminates the cost and produces the same results. Visit our web site and see the test videos we have performed with different vehicles validating the premise of how hho works in gas engines.  



Barry Holzsweig said:

Mark,

I've been researching how hho works in engines for 6 years now. If you wish to see what we have learned click this link  https://youtu.be/S0VxGM1yZTc . There is only so much improvement you can make to the efficiency of gas engines adding hho. IMHO, you will not get much more of an increase- if any- from what you have now by adding more hho. Adding hho makes the mixture leaner. Make it too lean and you have to add more fuel to keep the engine running. Most who have been working with hho for some time know there is a point where adding more hho actually reduces mpg. We eliminated PWMs (all forms) and now regulate hho production with the amount of electrolyte added to the system. Eliminates the cost and produces the same results. Visit our web site and see the test videos we have performed with different vehicles validating the premise of how hho works in gas engines.  

Pulsing a square wave to sealed series 7 plate of 13 plate, + N N N N N - helps bring longitudinal energy into the magnetic field , that the neutral plates produce. Add  an inductor toriod and ant-toroid with a "Current limit" feature and set the cell and it runs cool, no maintance after the install. Except just add distilled water, no more electrolyte needed, if you keep the tank full. We started off with MPG gains from "ionic water vapor cells" then we meet Bob Boyce™ and now sell his designs. Not trying to bash any one we are all in it together, the more correctly run HHO cells the better. Most truckers bereave HHO is BS and does nothing, we are still out their fighting to show if installed correctly you will see gains. The ECM has to be addressed as well. We have EFIE and Volo FS2 - HHO Edition for all this as well. It is a learning curve, but it puts us in the right direction the Oil Corps and CARB hate. Technology changes and improves over time as we thrive to live. Andrew from HydrogenGarage for calm. HydrogenTrucker dot calm and WaterPoweredCar for calm. Happy Hew Year everyone! 

Hi All I have dug out my 13 plate cell and having now received my Potassium Hydroxide I am hoping to start it up tomorrow. The system holds about 2ltrs of water and I was going to start off with aout a 1/4 teaspoon of potassium running a a 12 volt car battery. Is their anyting I should do before startup and how long should I run it for before installing in my car.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thank You

Hi All

My cell is now up and running 1 level 5ml  medicine spoon of sodium hydroxide in 1 ltr of distilled water and its running at about 6.5 amps. Its been running now for about 5 hours and only warm to the touch.

I am going to be using it in my 2006 Citroen C5 1.6 HDI.  I will try to upload a video tomorrow.

Can anyone tell me the best and cheapest way to determin the flow rate please?

Thank You

PS have just taken my system off line after 10.5 hours still just running warm no steam.

Just one other question I have just emptied the bubbler of water should it feel slimy to the touch or have I got something wrong?

Thanks Again

2mm thick plate is too much thick, You can use 1mm to 0.8mm. The efficiency is the same and you gain in weigth.

Hey Mark,

Couple of things. We are testing titanium plates now. You need much higher concentrations of electrolyte to generate the same amount of hho (amperage) as you do using SS plates- about triple the concentration. They do however produce no free iron and nickel leeching from them and so can be contained in a sealed container. After 500 hours or continuous operation we see no deterioration of the plates and no discoloration of the electrolyte.

It's the process that creates hho instead of H2 and O2. When an ionized molecule of the electrolyte attaches to current flowing from neg to pos, it travels with that current till the next neutral plate. There the current passes through the plate but the ionized molecule cannot and it smacks against the plate with such force it "Cracks" the molecule apart into the components of hho and sodium oxide- a hardening agent used in ceramics to strengthen clay. So it really doesn't matter what material you use for plates but titanium requires no maintenance but needs more current to produce the same amount of gas as SS plates.

Hope this helps.

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