The Orion Project has won their bid for Stan Meyer's equipment. They don't have the material in hand yet, but there is hope on the horizon. There is a big push to have the guys over at The Orion Project to have all this information released open source.

Here the news here on youtube.

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Great news !
If and when the info reaches the general public as open source the car manufacturers wil be put on notice. They will hopefully be able search and find some of the breakthroughs they purchased and buried in the past. If the didn't distroy them first. Then they will be able to bail themselves out.
If you think that Stanley Meyers was anything more than a garden variety scam artist, you're insane.

He claimed that a single tank of water could power his 1500cc VW dune buggy with an unaltered engine from new york to california. Do you believe that?
Inane said:
If you think that Stanley Meyers was anything more than a garden variety scam artist, you're insane.

He claimed that a single tank of water could power his 1500cc VW dune buggy with an unaltered engine from new york to california. Do you believe that?

I would much rather be a coolaid drinker for Stan Meyer than on for Barak. At least Meyer was on the right track.
Inane said:
If you think that Stanley Meyers was anything more than a garden variety scam artist, you're insane.

He claimed that a single tank of water could power his 1500cc VW dune buggy with an unaltered engine from new york to california. Do you believe that?

What is the expansion rate of water into hydrogen and oxygen? What is the thermal energy in that amount of hydrogen gas? Run the numbers for yourself and see if you don't think it could be done. And his motor was altered to run the HHO more efficiently. Research for yourself before calling anyone a scam artist.

BTW, Stan was working on a multimillion dollar contract with the US army when he died. Must be one heck of a scammer to get one over on Army procurement.
Inane said:
If you think that Stanley Meyers was anything more than a garden variety scam artist, you're insane.

He claimed that a single tank of water could power his 1500cc VW dune buggy with an unaltered engine from new york to california. Do you believe that?
The VW he was talking about was not an unaltered one. BUT, he was running soult on water. That is believable. Have you yet to watch hydrogen bubbles flash by using a lighter? If not don't be so fast to rush to discount what Stan Meyer did.
That's a good video Gabet. I like the way he clearly explains some of the WFC injector in a manner that is easy to understand. I don't like the idea, however, that people are going to think this injector is the only thing that made Stan's system work. It is much more complicated than that.

His system starts with a water cell driven by a high voltage, low current pulsing circuit that Stan called a "Voltage Intensifier Circuit" or just VIC. The VIC used the capacitance of the water cell with a specially designed inductor in series to one another, to amplify the voltage of the incoming pulses through resonance.

From the cell, the HHO gasses pass into a device that further charges the gas by bombarding it with laser energy. The laser light causes more of the electrons to come off the hydrogen and oxygen. The free electrons are then routed into the VIC to further increase the voltage. From the lasing cell, the HHO gas is then introduced into the injector assembly as ionized gas, which this video covers.

Stan said that there was nothing special about his cell except the electronics. This covers his pulse generator, VIC and feedback/sensing circuitry.
Well.. lets see..
Lets say the dune buggy had a 20 gallon tank.

Gasoline has an energy density of 46.4 MJ/kg and a density of about .75 kg/liter.
1 gallon is 3.8 liters.
A 20 gallon tank of gasoline is 57 kg of gasoline tankful of gasoline has 2644 Mj of energy.

Water is 2/18th hydrogen by weight. Water has a density of 1 kg/liter.
A tank full of water is 76kg then, and therefore 8.4 kg of hydrogen.
Hydrogen has an energy of density of 143 Mj/kg
8.4 kg of hydrogen has 1201 Mj of energy.
Therefore a tank of water has about half the energy of a tank of gasoline.


Page 101 of this document state that the dune buggy had a "standard 1500cc vw engine"

Let say that the dune buggy gets 30 miles to the gallon, half a tank of gas would get him 300 miles.



Any questions?


James Morehead said:
Inane said:
If you think that Stanley Meyers was anything more than a garden variety scam artist, you're insane.

He claimed that a single tank of water could power his 1500cc VW dune buggy with an unaltered engine from new york to california. Do you believe that?

What is the expansion rate of water into hydrogen and oxygen? What is the thermal energy in that amount of hydrogen gas? Run the numbers for yourself and see if you don't think it could be done. And his motor was altered to run the HHO more efficiently. Research for yourself before calling anyone a scam artist.

BTW, Stan was working on a multimillion dollar contract with the US army when he died. Must be one heck of a scammer to get one over on Army procurement.
I think your figures are for low energy bottled hydrogen gas. Hydroxy gas yields higher energies in the combustion process. Even higher energies can be achieved with the gas gun that Meyer used to further process the gas. Refer to the paper by Lowerie that I will try to upload. There are other authorities on the subject (Puharich and Wiseman) and there's a discussion about the gas gun on energeticforum.com.

Regards,
Andy
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Inane said:
Well.. lets see..
Lets say the dune buggy had a 20 gallon tank.

Gasoline has an energy density of 46.4 MJ/kg and a density of about .75 kg/liter.
1 gallon is 3.8 liters.
A 20 gallon tank of gasoline is 57 kg of gasoline tankful of gasoline has 2644 Mj of energy.

Water is 2/18th hydrogen by weight. Water has a density of 1 kg/liter.
A tank full of water is 76kg then, and therefore 8.4 kg of hydrogen.
Hydrogen has an energy of density of 143 Mj/kg
8.4 kg of hydrogen has 1201 Mj of energy.
Therefore a tank of water has about half the energy of a tank of gasoline.


Page 101 of this document state that the dune buggy had a "standard 1500cc vw engine"

Let say that the dune buggy gets 30 miles to the gallon, half a tank of gas would get him 300 miles.



Any questions?



That's all well and good if we were using the thermal value, but we are using the burn rate and expansion. I honestly don't feel like arguing with yet another nay sayer about this. Go away if you don't think hydrogen is a viable fuel supply.

Read this if you want. It gives the stuff I don't feel like explaining. If you want to discuss this further, please start a new thread.

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