Hi      I have posted this blog before. I have a 2.7 Turbo charged Mercedes-Benz diesel and trying like crazy to put HHO. On my rig it's a 2007 five wire wideband. I have an 8 x 8 14 plate five neutral each cell. two bubblers. I have a VOLO chip on it.  It is a sprinter Van 2007 I have.HH0 injected before the air cleaner to dry the H before I put it in the engine. I have not had any luck whatsoever it doesn't decrease my mileage. Or increase it. I usually get about 15 miles to the gallon. I was thinking about using a oxygen sensor extender I don't know if the Volo chip is doing any good maybe I should try a different type of EFIE I know this stuff works but I sure haven't had any luck. If any of you guys know of someone that has use this on a sprinter Turbo please e-mail me or post a blog .  Thank you     Jim   Salem Oregon

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Hi Jim. I am of the same opinion as you, that it should work, but it doesn't.

I have even tried on an old mercedes, that really should work - without any electronics, but that car lost mileage instead.

But now for good news. First: My last attempt with hydrogen on a VW Passat TDI 1994, was with only 2 plates, pos and neg, and I suddenly got about 10% increase in mileage. The cell had about 15 amps and cooked the water real good. That was only a glass jar cell with metal lid. I then realized that i had to be the water / steam that made the difference. So I made a simple watervaporizer instead to see if only watervapour without HHO could give as much increase. And it almost did. Perhaps HHO added to watervapour can give a couple of procent as well, but I just stopped to use the HHO anyway. Just the vaporizer.

 

On my old mercedes 300TD 1979, I wanted to try HHO again, I tought that it would be an easy job to get that car more miles to the gallon. But it only got less, regardless og how many amps I tried with. So i tried with my vaporizer again, and also preheating of the diesel, and then I got about 10% increase. I also made this QMI / teflon treatment, that reduced the oil consumption dramatically, but not more HP or more mpg. I have now also a rear muffler from OTG in the Phillipines, Ehnrico and co, with an amazing sound, that seems to give me about 5% increase also in mpg.

 

And last, but not the least: A light foot on the gaspedal, maximum 50-55 mpg on the highway and early gearshifts, gives at least 10% increase in mpg compared to an aggressive driving style.

Hi Jim,

 

We have seen some nice results on a Sprinter without the Volo and such. How much HHO are you using?

How come 2 bubblers?


   Hello Jim, I got identical resaults on my diesel as Christer. My old hoooot smack booster worked better than my big cell..  best of luck.
Christer Dirfeldt said:

Hi Jim. I am of the same opinion as you, that it should work, but it doesn't.

I have even tried on an old mercedes, that really should work - without any electronics, but that car lost mileage instead.

But now for good news. First: My last attempt with hydrogen on a VW Passat TDI 1994, was with only 2 plates, pos and neg, and I suddenly got about 10% increase in mileage. The cell had about 15 amps and cooked the water real good. That was only a glass jar cell with metal lid. I then realized that i had to be the water / steam that made the difference. So I made a simple watervaporizer instead to see if only watervapour without HHO could give as much increase. And it almost did. Perhaps HHO added to watervapour can give a couple of procent as well, but I just stopped to use the HHO anyway. Just the vaporizer.

 

On my old mercedes 300TD 1979, I wanted to try HHO again, I tought that it would be an easy job to get that car more miles to the gallon. But it only got less, regardless og how many amps I tried with. So i tried with my vaporizer again, and also preheating of the diesel, and then I got about 10% increase. I also made this QMI / teflon treatment, that reduced the oil consumption dramatically, but not more HP or more mpg. I have now also a rear muffler from OTG in the Phillipines, Ehnrico and co, with an amazing sound, that seems to give me about 5% increase also in mpg.

 

And last, but not the least: A light foot on the gaspedal, maximum 50-55 mpg on the highway and early gearshifts, gives at least 10% increase in mpg compared to an aggressive driving style.

 hi   ED could you tell me excally in detail how you got  better mpg on a 2.7 /3.0 mercedes benz diesel it is in a small rv same engine as sprinter van  mine is 2007  5 wire  wide band the reason for two bubbler is saftey .did you use a efie i use a volo chip with no luck   thank you  jim salem ore

Ed Grimm said:

Hi Jim,

 

We have seen some nice results on a Sprinter without the Volo and such. How much HHO are you using?

How come 2 bubblers?



hydrosmith said:
 hi   ED could you tell me excally in detail how you got  better mpg on a 2.7 /3.0 mercedes benz diesel it is in a small rv same engine as sprinter van  mine is 2007  5 wire  wide band the reason for two bubbler is saftey .did you use a efie i use a volo chip with no luck   thank you  jim salem ore

Ed Grimm said:

Hi Jim,

 

We have seen some nice results on a Sprinter without the Volo and such. How much HHO are you using?

How come 2 bubblers?

Hi Jim,

 

It was a couple of years ago but I believe it was approximately the same year model or within a year or two. We had no issue to deal with the O2 sensors so I suspect you are running a bit high on your output.

We had it in the range of 7-9 amps. No second bubbler. No EFIE. No Volo.

 

 

hi if your not getting any positive mpg results on a turbo diesel then you need to fit a venturie device about 8" before the turbo to overcome the turbo pressure ...i did this & it works ! Zerofossil fuel has made a venturie device if u go to his site you will find details of how to make this simple device ...hope this helps ...my 1996 2.5 turbo diesle van got between 20 -30% better mpg after fitting it.

  Flyingdoc,

 

If you are putting it BEFORE the turbo as you noted then there should be NO pressure to speak of.

Before the turbo there is usually just the air filter and duct to the turbo. If you have pressure there

then something is very wrong with how the turbo was installed. You may find some vacuum there

due to a dirty air filter causing flow restriction to the turbo, but definitely no pressure.


Did you mean AFTER the turbo?



Ed Grimm said:

  Flyingdoc,

 

If you are putting it BEFORE the turbo as you noted then there should be NO pressure to speak of.

Before the turbo there is usually just the air filter and duct to the turbo. If you have pressure there

then something is very wrong with how the turbo was installed. You may find some vacuum there

due to a dirty air filter causing flow restriction to the turbo, but definitely no pressure.


Did you mean AFTER the turbo?HI Ed ,no i didnt mean after ...let me explain..as i think think this is a major problem with text & language in forums,i was told by a person when i was researching this a couple of years ago to put the hho feed after the turbo wich caused me some confusion !..ok, this is the order: air intake..then  air filter then rubber boot that clamps onto turbo intake my hho feed goes in here to a venturi pipe that sits  just before the turbo intake ,you could be right about pressure i'm no scientist,but when i installed  this way   i got better mpg ..hope this clears things up ,i tried the feed into air filter with no results ..language is a bitch sometimes !



flyingdoc said:


Ed Grimm said:

  Flyingdoc,

 

If you are putting it BEFORE the turbo as you noted then there should be NO pressure to speak of.

Before the turbo there is usually just the air filter and duct to the turbo. If you have pressure there

then something is very wrong with how the turbo was installed. You may find some vacuum there

due to a dirty air filter causing flow restriction to the turbo, but definitely no pressure.


Did you mean AFTER the turbo?HI Ed ,no i didnt mean after ...let me explain..as i think think this is a major problem with text & language in forums,i was told by a person when i was researching this a couple of years ago to put the hho feed after the turbo wich caused me some confusion !..ok, this is the order: air intake..then  air filter then rubber boot that clamps onto turbo intake my hho feed goes in here to a venturi pipe that sits  just before the turbo intake ,you could be right about pressure i'm no scientist,but when i installed  this way   i got better mpg ..hope this clears things up ,i tried the feed into air filter with no results ..language is a bitch sometimes !

Thanks for the clarification doc.

That is pre turbo and pressure should be no issue there, just flow dynamics to deal with.

What was the source for the venturi? I looked to Zero's site and couldn't find it.

HI Ed, sorry i couldnt do you a link (i'm not all that computer literate lol) but if you go to youtube search  & type in zerofossilfuel venturi it will come up ..the picture looks like popeye's pipe & is a piece of inch n a half plastic waste pipe about 3" long , i had no results with my TD van until i fitted this little gizmo..my wet cell only produces less than half a lpm at 13.8 v & about 12amps ..amps creep up on long journeys but i keep it trimmed with my pwm to stop it getting too hot ..i get usually 25% better mpg in ideal driving conditions,in my van manual it says 21mpg ,b4 i fitted my system only ever got 17mpg ...now with hho it does 21mpg ,its a 2.5 TD 4 wheel drive constant automatic 1996 masda bongo van ..goodluck..!my other van is a transit rv ..you can check it by searching flyingdoctorcee on youtube 

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