Has anyone put the unit(s) on a ford F350 7.3 turbo deisel? Are any additional components needed other than the cells and tubing? How much LPM is required for an increase in hwy driving? I tow a 10k fifth wheel with the truck. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Dennis in Florida

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I have a success story for diesel.

I have HHO on a 2008 F250 6.4 turbo diesel. Starting in 2008 FORD added the DPF that cycles about once every tank. That part sucks and drops the mpg 2 - 3mpg. Stock I was running 13.5 to 14mpg. However, I have managed to get my mpg back up to the 2006 levels even with the DPF going on, roughly 18mpg and have seen as high as 23mpg. I have not done the DPF delete. If I bought a tuner and DPF delete I could get even better MPG.
Anything under 2 liters HHO per minute there is absolutely no gain. In fact, it is worse. Remember, these are big cubic inch engines and a little HHO turns out to be only a drop in the bucket.
Once I started getting over 2 liters per minute you can almost see the gains instantly. 4 liters per minute is where I try to keep mine. I don't want to sap too many amps and don't want to work the altenator too hard either.

I have a dry cell generator, 8x8, 37 plates, 6 cells with 5 neutrals in each cell. my gasket is .080 spacing. I also have a small pump aiding in circulating the electrolyte to maximize HHO production. I am running 2 bubblers. I pipe it into the air filter box, before the filter element.

Electrolyte is KOH running about 1.26 specific gravity. I use a battery hydrometer to test it. This is the maximum concentration to prevent the electrolyte from freezing. According to the chemistry charts, it should be good to -26 F. I put it in the freezer over night and zero F it was still liquid.

I hope this helps.
MrBill
First I want to say thank you Bill for the quick response. Not being a mechanic I still have a few questions. My F350, 7.3 is a 1997. Does it have the "DPF" on it or how could i find out. What type of pump did you install for the electrolyte circulation? I live in Florida so would never be exposed to freeing temperatures, is there another or better alternate to the "KOH". Last question, my truck has two 12VDC batteries with a 100 amp alternater, would this suffice for the amp output required?
DPF is something new they added for EPA to help reduce emissions. Your 97 would not have that. The circulation pump is just a small 1-2 gallon per minute RV water pump used for under a sink. Probably half the size of a pop can. However, a pump is not required. It is just added to help squeeze a little more HHO production out of it.
Even though you don't have a freeze problem, it has been determined KOH and NaOH are the best additives for electrolyte. NaOH is easier to find which is 100% lye and KOH is the best, referred to as caustic soda. Both of these are dangerous chemicals and care must be used when handling these.
Mine also has 2 batteries, which I think is typical for these big diesels. You should be fine.

MrBill
Thanks again for the quick response. I will probably install a system on my truck in the next few months since it is in storage now and I will start using in in April or May when we go travelling.
Was wondering if a windshield washer pump would work? Where do I purchase the KOH and what is the percentage of mix. Also where did you purchase your system or did you build it yourself? Hope I am not being a pest but I want to get all of the information and feel confident before adding something to my engine.
Hi Dennis,
Welcome to the group - I'm a newbie to the group also.
I have a Chev Silverado 2500 with a 6.6L diesel and use a single jar from the W4G info. I got an mpg increase from 8 mpg to 15 mpg pulling a 30' travel trailer, and from 15 to 22 without the trailer. The unit I have is wired to the key with a 15amp fuse and uses 2 level teaspoons of baking soda. I do have to clean it every 500 miles as the rust residue gets pretty bad. I use SS 1/4-20 threaded rods instead of the SS wire. Attached are a couple of pics of my unit.
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Thanks for the info John. At todays prices for deisel fuel any savings in MPG is huge when you are travelling and pulling a 11K fifth wheel. We travel for about 4 1/2 months and usually put on about 3K miles. A 15% savings will give me 450 miles free driving over not having the HHO. That would work out to about $125.00 savings. We could eat breakfast at the Cracker barrel about once a week on the savings.
Hi John

Do you know how many amps your unit is pulling? Have you made many adjustments?

Thanks

Ed

John De Kleine said:
Hi Dennis,
Welcome to the group - I'm a newbie to the group also.
I have a Chev Silverado 2500 with a 6.6L diesel and use a single jar from the W4G info. I got an mpg increase from 8 mpg to 15 mpg pulling a 30' travel trailer, and from 15 to 22 without the trailer. The unit I have is wired to the key with a 15amp fuse and uses 2 level teaspoons of baking soda. I do have to clean it every 500 miles as the rust residue gets pretty bad. I use SS 1/4-20 threaded rods instead of the SS wire. Attached are a couple of pics of my unit.
I am running HHO on a 2007 Ford 6.0L diesel, and started a thread in the "Ford" forum recently. I also added some info to the Data sheet section. I have seen the mileage increase from 16 mpg stock tune up tp 21-24 mpg with the HHO and a MAP sensor enhancer (DE) set at 10% lean. I am also beginning to see a small gain of 2-3 mpg using the HHO and DE for citydriving or farm use. Initial crude tests on the output of the Smack's Booster running at 28 amps only show about 0.9-1.0 LPM gas output. RZ
See Ricky Watkins an expert builder from Florida bud
I have the PEC unit on my 2001 7-3 pick up. My mpg gain is 5. Very small unit that is being manufactured by injected molding process. This unit has been tested for about 2 years before dies and molding was brought into place. This unit cost under $40. DOLLARS. Whats nice about these units are you don't need any electronics ,never over heats,and the water stay's clean.
i have an 03 6.0l i did nor know about the map sensor. did you need one? and i know a guy selling a unit the makes 6 liters/min is this too much or the more the merrier. and how often do you fill your water tank on long tripes?

i have about 100 more questions so bear with me

Randy Zrubek said:
I am running HHO on a 2007 Ford 6.0L diesel, and started a thread in the "Ford" forum recently. I also added some info to the Data sheet section. I have seen the mileage increase from 16 mpg stock tune up tp 21-24 mpg with the HHO and a MAP sensor enhancer (DE) set at 10% lean. I am also beginning to see a small gain of 2-3 mpg using the HHO and DE for citydriving or farm use. Initial crude tests on the output of the Smack's Booster running at 28 amps only show about 0.9-1.0 LPM gas output. RZ
It's amazing that you get results with such a simple generator. How much water do you need to add every 500 miles? I assume that you get quite a lot of watervapour with 15 amps in a single cell. My hunch is about 1/2 of the water in the jug is gone after 500 miles?

I have actually went with pure watervapour now and preheating of the fuel on the 3,0 diesel mercedes I have now. I am saving 12% with that. HHO was counterproductive up to about 1lpm. Perhaps I should have tried with even more, according to MrBill?

John De Kleine said:
Hi Dennis,
Welcome to the group - I'm a newbie to the group also.
I have a Chev Silverado 2500 with a 6.6L diesel and use a single jar from the W4G info. I got an mpg increase from 8 mpg to 15 mpg pulling a 30' travel trailer, and from 15 to 22 without the trailer. The unit I have is wired to the key with a 15amp fuse and uses 2 level teaspoons of baking soda. I do have to clean it every 500 miles as the rust residue gets pretty bad. I use SS 1/4-20 threaded rods instead of the SS wire. Attached are a couple of pics of my unit.

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