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HODINFO SPONSOR Comment by Carter on March 29, 2012 at 10:24am

This might help.

HODINFO SPONSOR Comment by Carter on March 29, 2012 at 9:46am

Do not misunderstand me.  I said there is no electron movement in electrolyte.  Current moves in three forms.  Electrons in wire/conductive solids or ions in electrolyte.  It is still current.  The electrons are forcing the the ion movement so you  can measure this with your amp meter.  The electrons do not jump off into the electrolyte so to speak.  I am not an electrician but I do understand the two basic types of current.  Now in plasma both electrons and ions move.  In a reactor the ions are moving both ways and if they collide they become neutral and of no value to us.     

Comment by moldoveanu.marius on March 29, 2012 at 9:38am

is useless debate

"The anode of an electrolytic cell is positive (cathode is negative), since the anode attracts anions from the solution. However, the anode of a galvanic cell is negatively charged, since the spontaneous oxidation at the anode is the source of the cell's electrons or negative charge. The cathode of a galvanic cell is its positive terminal. In both galvanic and electrolytic cells, oxidation takes place at the anode and electrons flow from the anode to the cathode."

http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa082003a.htm

Carter was right again: in the cell due the presence of ionic and not electric conductor we may have ions who may moves in both directions - depend on electrolyte.

Comment by Barry Holzsweig on March 29, 2012 at 9:26am

hmmmmmmm.... Carter..... please answer me this. If there is no current flowing in the cell, why is it we can measure amperage on the positive and negative terminals of the cell?

HODINFO SPONSOR Comment by Carter on March 29, 2012 at 9:01am

Just to make one thing clear here.  There is no electron movement in the electrolyte.  Ions are moving.  They are being pushed and pulled by the anode and cathode.  That means they the Ions are moving both ways. 

Comment by Barry Holzsweig on March 29, 2012 at 8:29am

m.m

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. Sometimes the written words do not convey full thoughts.

If I understand you correctly, you agree that current flows from the negative terminal to the positive terminal.  Now, are you saying that once the current reaches the negative terminal on our cell it somehow stops and that current from the positive terminal reverses course and flows to the negative terminal? That's what I'm understanding you to say from your last remark.

Comment by moldoveanu.marius on March 28, 2012 at 10:47pm

@Barry

Polarity on battery is as you said: from negative to positive.

On electrolytic cell electrons arrive on positive pole (anode) and flow to ground ( cathode).

I understand now where your confusion come from: the cell was designed by someone else,,ask him! Is a fine engineer for sure! Nice design! 

If your team are interested we may exchange some information's and eventually you may give a try on my electrolyte formula or even some of my other components. Take a look to my page..I may have one of the best solutions for a fuel saver.

Comment by Barry Holzsweig on March 28, 2012 at 2:53pm

I have to give credit. The cell design is not mine. That cell was designed by Ed Grimm a one time NASA shuttle technician and meticulous designer!

Comment by Barry Holzsweig on March 28, 2012 at 2:49pm

Uhhhh... check your electrical theory. DC current flows from negative to positive! Don't believe me, google it up!

Comment by moldoveanu.marius on March 28, 2012 at 1:36pm

@Barry

the electrons flow from positive pole ( anode ) to negative ( cathode ) in a electrolytic cell. The voltage is not equally divided if there are more than a number of plates ..Current density may be not be the same on all cells in equal plates design. Your design is way much clever!

@ Hans : i was wrong : the parallel config need 10-11 cells at 24 volts not 6-7 as I said. Carter is right. Is also right about the fact that 24 volts systems are usually long run vehicles. Stop-go vehicles need on neutral less or a heater. Some solutions were presented here.

Tips:  - sand blast the cathode and polish the anode side of neutrals to balance the surfaces.

       - to avoid overheating is good to use hot water when make the electrolyte mixture. Rise the temp to 60 C and add the base until reach the desired current value at average voltage that will "feed" the system. Will not exceed that limit  with dangerous values if  run longer time.

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