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Measurements of temperature and electron density of oxyhydrogen (HHO) flame

Started this discussion. Last reply by charles ware Mar 29. 2 Replies

Here is a paper by a Swiss researcher named Slobodan Stankovic.   …Continue

HHO meetup

Started this discussion. Last reply by gabet123 Dec 31, 2015. 1 Reply

 Hi -I tried to setup an HHO group on meetup.com.    I've never done it before so being inexperienced with it I did not give them adequate information within a 48 hour deadline and the group was not…Continue

HHO meetup

Started Sep 1, 2015 0 Replies

Anybody in the Chicago area,  if you want to go to a meet up, check this out:…Continue

panacea university

Started this discussion. Last reply by gabet123 Nov 28, 2014. 1 Reply

I think the link that is given to the panacea university hho paper is out of date.  A more current link:…Continue

 

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charles ware replied to charles ware's discussion 'Measurements of temperature and electron density of oxyhydrogen (HHO) flame'
"I would like to do a monograph on this topic.   I have a copy of papers done by Meidanshahi et al and a review by Shakher and Nirala.  Thinking of starting with the basic background and developing that into your conclusions in a way…"
Mar 29
Slobodan Stankovic replied to charles ware's discussion 'Measurements of temperature and electron density of oxyhydrogen (HHO) flame'
"Hello everyone. The calculation of the temperature of the HHO plasma (as it is one) is based on the electron density, as described in the article. Obviously there is no much of free electrons in the plasma, that's why the temperature is very…"
Mar 16
gabet123 replied to charles ware's discussion 'Measurements of temperature and electron density of oxyhydrogen (HHO) flame'
"This looks to be going to a dead link."
Feb 16
charles ware posted a discussion

Measurements of temperature and electron density of oxyhydrogen (HHO) flame

Here is a paper by a Swiss researcher named Slobodan Stankovic.   click here Chris Eckman, another HHO researcher in Idaho,  USA estimated HHO flame temperature to be 130 deg. C based on infra-red imaging.  I have always been a bit sceptical of that calculation.  It might be based on the…See More
Feb 3
charles ware commented on charles ware's blog post 'more work on test bed'
"Thats interesting.  Does that guy have a company with website?   We are working at the lab level still.   The basic experiment still looks pretty much like what was shown in this video: youtube"
Oct 17, 2016
Martin Moore commented on charles ware's blog post 'more work on test bed'
"Yes of course I should have been a little more specific. I meant the ignition spark and injection where used. I know an experimenter who moved up in scale was making HHO systems for BIG diesels and ships and who designed his own engine management…"
Oct 13, 2016
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Electronics assembly

I feel that electronics will be important to future development of HHO technology. Here are some photos showing what its like to work with one very small aspect of electronic systems,  surface mount capacitors. In order to build prototypes of electronic systems,  the capacity to use surface mount components is helpful.  Some…See More
Oct 12, 2016
charles ware commented on charles ware's blog post 'more work on test bed'
"Not quite sure what you mean by "timing".  On a 4-stroke single cylinder gas engine, timing on the valve train is pretty much fixed.  The spark on the other hand is completely bypassed and taken over by the controller.  A…"
Oct 12, 2016
charles ware replied to Dr. Ralston Methadone's discussion 'Confirmation of anomalous hydrogen generation by plasma electrolysis'
"I have always thought that the work of Dr. Mizuno was really interesting. Too bad it seems like it has largely been ignored. He has published a number of papers along these lines. Another is: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomalouse.pdf In…"
Oct 4, 2016
Martin Moore commented on charles ware's blog post 'more work on test bed'
"That is an interesting engineering project. I wonder, have you had to , or are you going to, experiment with changing the timing of the engine at all? Sorry if you have already covered this point elsewhere but I've only just read your post."
Sep 6, 2016
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more work on test bed

Photos of the latest work on our engine test bed. They are:Upper left hand.The test bed will have a software-based controller so we are presently writing the code.  The components of a bench top test are labeled.   A.  Controller.  It is a 44-pin demo board with a Microchip  PIC18F45K20.  It is affixed to perf board that has…See More
Aug 5, 2016
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Indicator diagram

After some tinkering around to get things working right...  we have a preliminary indicator diagram.  Various assumptions were made that might have to be refined.   The exact point on the trigger disk that corresponds to top dead center has to be determined. A mark made with a Sharpie marker on the engine block where the shaft key lines up was made when the cylinder head was removed, but that is not quite good enough.  Will have to use one of those TDC indicators screwed into the spark plug…See More
Mar 21, 2016
charles ware commented on charles ware's blog post 'checked the sensor inputs'
"Hi Peter,The sensor does not have anything like a digital interface which would be nice.  It is just a voltage analog output.  The scale factor is 2.69 mV per psi. Recommended power is 12 volts DC. That little circuit board in the video is…"
Mar 14, 2016
Peter Kiproff commented on charles ware's blog post 'checked the sensor inputs'
"Hi Charles Excellent scope shots, can you tell us more about the pressure sensor " link " Regards Peter"
Mar 14, 2016
charles ware posted a blog post

checked the sensor inputs

Ran the engine on the test bed to check the inputs.The scope can store the data as a csv file which can be imported into a spreadsheet and plotted.  Here is the pressure within the cylinder:Looks about right for a gas engine running at no load.  Here is the raw signal from the variable reluctance sensor used to track crank…See More
Mar 12, 2016
Peter Kiproff left a comment for charles ware
"You might add a coil to the spinning load cell to generate the Pwr to send the data back without depending on batteries, If you can get this data in sync with the crankshaft position then it can also be plotted along with combustion pressure. you…"
Jan 8, 2016

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20 years product development in electronic instrumentation and controls. Worked as embedded software developer. Work history on linkedin.com. Bach. Sci, degree in Chemistry
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I would like to interact more with other HHO experimenters in the Chicago area.Perahps we could have a meet-up.

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still more indicator

Posted on January 18, 2017 at 2:46pm 0 Comments

More work on indicator diagrams:

The first plot below is called an indicator diagram, a plot of pressure vs. volume in the cylinder of a small, 4-stroke gas engine.   It's not much different from an earlier one  except that the plot covers about 2 and 1/2 cycles so the intake / exhaust stroke is visible as well as the compression / power stroke. There is some noise on the pressure signal so it as been oversampled - 9 samples for every data point. Note that the maximum volume…

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Electronics assembly

Posted on October 12, 2016 at 8:00pm 0 Comments



I feel that electronics will be important to future development of HHO technology. Here are some photos showing what its like to work with one very small aspect of electronic systems,  surface mount capacitors.



In order to build prototypes of electronic systems,  the capacity to use surface mount…

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more work on test bed

Posted on August 5, 2016 at 5:25pm 4 Comments

Photos of the latest work on our engine test bed. They are:



Upper left hand.

The test bed will have a software-based controller so we are presently writing the code.  The components of a bench top test are labeled.

   A.  Controller.  It is a 44-pin demo board with a Microchip  PIC18F45K20.  It is…

Continue

Indicator diagram

Posted on March 21, 2016 at 3:30pm 0 Comments

After some tinkering around to get things working right...  we have a preliminary indicator diagram.  Various assumptions were made that might have to be refined.   The exact point on the trigger disk that corresponds to top dead center has to be determined. A mark made with a Sharpie marker on the engine block where the shaft key lines up was made when the cylinder head was removed, but that is not quite good enough.  Will have to use one of those TDC indicators screwed into the…

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At 10:36pm on January 8, 2016, Peter Kiproff said…

You might add a coil to the spinning load cell to generate the Pwr to send the data back without depending on batteries, If you can get this data in sync with the crankshaft position then it can also be plotted along with combustion pressure. you should be able to use the coil charge waveform as position with each torque reading.

At 10:29pm on January 6, 2016, Peter Kiproff said…

Hey Charles I'm right with you on using a Pic & pressure sensor, I do have a question about spark timing & the 60 tooth sensor, how are they related ? or are there two systems, I ask because quadrature encoders of higher counts can do both, on many systems we use a min 200 count encoder to resolve 800 CPR. Will you include temp in the data?

At 4:18pm on January 25, 2012, Ed Grimm said…

Hello Mr. Ware

Thank you for posting your findings. It was concise and sensible and begins to fill a void of useful data.

I did some simple dyno tests using a chassis dyno and a Chevy 4.3 that showed a very nice gain in the

more useful lower RPMs. Wish that data was as comprehensive as yours but it does reveal what we all know is real. HHO is very useful.

At 2:29pm on January 24, 2012, charles ware said…

Here is a paper I did:

www.hho-research.org/wp12.pdf

 

I have yet to receive a single comment about it.  The equation section I would like to simplify and make it a little more persuasive. I am really interseted in the idea of optimizing poerfoirmance of HHO systems, but it is hard to do that systematiclly without a quantitative understanding of how HHO affects the thermodynaomics of the heat cycle. I am actually working on a prototype at this time that would address this issue.

 
 
 

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